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 Post subject: En Bloc - Protagonist discussion
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This thread is for discussing the protagonist of the En Bloc VN project. We need to come up with a name for him, a personality/background, and we need to decide what he looks like.

For his name, it might be best to wait until we've settled on a setting, so we don't get a person named Klaus von Berghoven who's a regular native Japanese high school guy (to give a really exaggerated example).

For the personality/background, we know the following things:
-He attends high school, so he can't be too old.
-He is aggressive enough to assault someone when drunk. (So he can't be a total wussy or something like that.)
-He lives alone or is used to being alone for extended periods of time.
-FRIEND is his best friend.
-He drinks beer. How often or how much is not determined, but it's not possible that he's a guy who never drinks any alcohol.

For the looks, we only know that he's a high school student and that he's male.

Discuss.


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^ at first glance, sounds like a run-of-the-mill underageb& /jp/er. Until we get to the part about him having a girlfriend.

How about some kind of hybrid of Satou? He seems to be a good base, looking at the character's personality.


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SHIKI Anon wrote:
How about some kind of hybrid of Satou? He seems to be a good base, looking at the character's personality.

Fictional characters named Sato include:

* Ayano Sato, character from High School Girls
* Bruce Sato, from the toy franchise and cartoon M.A.S.K.
* Fumino Sato, character from High School Girls
* Hoshi Sato, character from Star Trek: Enterprise
* Katsumi Sato, a minor character from YuYu Hakusho
* Kouji Satou, a minor character from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
* Mako Satou, character from Initial D
* Masao Sato (Max), character from Crayon Shin-chan
* Masashi Sato, character from To Heart
* Miwako Satou, character from Case Closed (Detective Conan)
* Mina Sato, character from Doubt!!
* Natsumi Sato, minor character from Jiraishin a.k.a. Ice Blade
* Shigeki Satō, character from Whistle!
* Sei Sato, character from Maria-sama ga Miteru
* Sato (Gundam character), character from Gundam SEED Destiny
* Tatsuhiro Satō, main character from Welcome to the N.H.K.
* Toru Sato (a.k.a. Bull), a character in Need For Speed: Most Wanted
* Toshiko Sato, one of the protagonists in the television series Torchwood, who also briefly appeared in the television series Doctor Who
(sauce: Wikipedia)

Which Satou are you talking about?


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Oh yeah, that's right. I mean the one from Welcome to the NHK. Sorry.


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- Why does he live alone?
- Why does he drink?
- How did he and his girlfriend meet and get together?
- What's his personality normally like?


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Anon1 wrote:
This thread is for discussing the protagonist of the drunken murder VN project. We need to come up with a name for him, a personality/background, and we need to decide what he looks like.

For his name, it might be best to wait until we've settled on a setting, so we don't get a person named Klaus von Berghoven who's a regular native Japanese high school guy (to give a really exaggerated example).

For the personality/background, we know the following things:
-He attends high school, so he can't be too old.
-He is aggressive enough to assault someone when drunk. (So he can't be a total wussy or something like that.)
-He lives alone or is used to being alone for extended periods of time.
-FRIEND is his best friend.
-He drinks beer. How often or how much is not determined, but it's not possible that he's a guy who never drinks any alcohol.

For the looks, we only know that he's a high school student and that he's male.

Discuss.


Why does he have to be in high school? If he was a college student, it would solve the living alone and drinking problems.


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Referring to the idea I put up front in another thread, who says he has to be the one who got himself smashed? People do have their drinks spiked.


It could be a pretty average, if not a little conscientious, college guy. Also, i think he should be a pushover.


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That could work. Accidentally getting drunk, especially if he never got drunk before, could lead to him releasing pent-up RAGE and insecurities


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THE LION HAX wrote:
Also, i think he should be a pushover.


I like that idea. Maybe his girlfriend teases him sometimes and he takes it to heart, whether she seriously means it or not (she probably doesn't.) Or maybe she's a little bossy and domineering, and that gets to him.


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Why does he have to be in high school? If he was a college student, it would solve the living alone and drinking problems.


Also, this. The only problem might be that the close quarters college students usually live in would make concealing a body difficult.

Wouldn't he notice the smell coming from his closet after a couple of days in any case?


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Wouldn't he notice the smell coming from his closet after a couple of days in any case?


Yeah, decomposition begins as soon as you die. Even after one day it will begin to smell.

But if he has the kind of closet that slides and doesn't have any gaps when it's closed then maybe he won't notice the smell


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Damn. Guest has a point.

Maybe... He cleaned it up before he stored it? I don't know. Anyone have an idea for this?


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Maybe he got rid of the body in a pit in the woods? They'd have to be close to his house/apartment/dorm building. If it's buried in dead leaves and out of sight the smell probably wouldn't be an issue... for a while, anyway.


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Uh, she could still be alive and tied up and gagged. Then when you open the closet she snaps out of her trance and looks up at you in terror, or something.

or maybe this could be a GOOD END


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Uh, she could still be alive and tied up and gagged. Then when you open the closet she snaps out of her trance and looks up at you in terror, or something.

or maybe this could be a GOOD END


No way. There should only be one ending, here. And it should be fairly cool.


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How about he's sick, then? Then smelling things isn't a problem


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yellowike wrote:
How about he's sick, then? Then smelling things isn't a problem


... OR you could just get the body away from the room and building?


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Just a random idea of what he might look like.


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nipanya wrote:
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Just a random idea of what he might look like.


Not bad, though I think his hair could be a bit shorter.


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Long-ish hair gives off that 'bum' looks. Is that what we're aiming for here?


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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He is the kind of guy who doesn't really care about getting hair cuts too often.

But I guess it'd be okay if it was shortened just a bit.


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Maybe add some facial hair here and there. That give him even more of a bum look.


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THE LION HAX wrote:
Maybe he got rid of the body in a pit in the woods? They'd have to be close to his house/apartment/dorm building. If it's buried in dead leaves and out of sight the smell probably wouldn't be an issue... for a while, anyway.

Yeah, except the hiding the body part was done in a quick moment of confusion, and that same quick moment of confusion he bumps his head, causing him to lose his memory. To drag a body out of your house, it's got to be a bit more than just a quick moment of confusion, and there needs to be some explanation for the memory loss.

As for the character design: It looks good.


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Random name suggestion: Roy Miller.


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THE LION HAX wrote:
Maybe he got rid of the body in a pit in the woods? They'd have to be close to his house/apartment/dorm building. If it's buried in dead leaves and out of sight the smell probably wouldn't be an issue... for a while, anyway.

Yeah, except the hiding the body part was done in a quick moment of confusion, and that same quick moment of confusion he bumps his head, causing him to lose his memory. To drag a body out of your house, it's got to be a bit more than just a quick moment of confusion, and there needs to be some explanation for the memory loss.

As for the character design: It looks good.


He doesn't necessarily have to bump his head for the memory loss. Too much alcohol naturally wipes your memory anyway.


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THE LION HAX wrote:
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Maybe he got rid of the body in a pit in the woods? They'd have to be close to his house/apartment/dorm building. If it's buried in dead leaves and out of sight the smell probably wouldn't be an issue... for a while, anyway.

Yeah, except the hiding the body part was done in a quick moment of confusion, and that same quick moment of confusion he bumps his head, causing him to lose his memory. To drag a body out of your house, it's got to be a bit more than just a quick moment of confusion, and there needs to be some explanation for the memory loss.

As for the character design: It looks good.


He doesn't necessarily have to bump his head for the memory loss. Too much alcohol naturally wipes your memory anyway.

Yeah, but it doesn't make you forget about your identity, school and girlfriend for four days. You might lose your memory of that night, but unless you drink so much as to get serious mental damage, that's all you forget.


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Yeah, but it doesn't make you forget about your identity, school and girlfriend for four days. You might lose your memory of that night, but unless you drink so much as to get serious mental damage, that's all you forget.


Who says he has to forget all that? Forgetting his girlfriend and those events would be enough. Besides, shouldn't the story focus on figuring out what happens to his girlfriend?

Also, four days seems kind of a lot. What about 2-3 days?

INCOMING CRITICISM OF CHANGING PLOT STRUCTURE. I think it works a little better that way.


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Do a short write-up of the whole thing with revised plot/events and hey, maybe it'll work out.


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THE LION HAX wrote:
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Yeah, but it doesn't make you forget about your identity, school and girlfriend for four days. You might lose your memory of that night, but unless you drink so much as to get serious mental damage, that's all you forget.


Who says he has to forget all that? Forgetting his girlfriend and those events would be enough. Besides, shouldn't the story focus on figuring out what happens to his girlfriend?

Also, four days seems kind of a lot. What about 2-3 days?

INCOMING CRITICISM OF CHANGING PLOT STRUCTURE. I think it works a little better that way.

Personally, I think you're changing the story a bit too much. It's kind of just becoming a different story.
I mean, if we'd go by all of your suggestions, the story would be about the protagonist killing his bitch of a girlfriend after drinking too much, ditching her body and getting away with the crime, but forgetting about the crime he commited because of alcohol.
The original idea was that in a state of drunkenness, he accidentally kills his really likeable girlfriend, quickly hides the body in a state of panic, then accidentally bumps his head to lose his memory, and afterwards regaining his memory and learning the shocking truth that he accidentally killed his own girlfriend.

Your story is more of a kick-ass story, whereas the original story is more of a tragic story. The reader's reaction to your story would be something like 'Ah, so that's what happened. Awesome.', but the original idea is more to evoke a reaction of 'OMG NO ;_;'.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:15 pm 
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Your story is more of a kick-ass story, whereas the original story is more of a tragic story. The reader's reaction to your story would be something like 'Ah, so that's what happened. Awesome.', but the original idea is more to evoke a reaction of 'OMG NO ;_;'.


... So, what's the problem?

The tragic story isn't a bad idea, but I kind of like the "kick-ass story" better. If it doesn't work out with the tragic element, you could always write it down and we could use it in a different project.


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What if he buried the body somewhere?


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Anon1 wrote:
Your story is more of a kick-ass story, whereas the original story is more of a tragic story. The reader's reaction to your story would be something like 'Ah, so that's what happened. Awesome.', but the original idea is more to evoke a reaction of 'OMG NO ;_;'.


... So, what's the problem?

The tragic story isn't a bad idea, but I kind of like the "kick-ass story" better. If it doesn't work out with the tragic element, you could always write it down and we could use it in a different project.


Regardless, someone needs to starting writing soon... Morale looks to be falling as we speak.


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This weekend I'll write something, maybe.

Wait, is the All-Star game this weekend?


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Again, it all reverberates twoooo arcsssss I'll try to get something written with the original "OMG NO ;_;" sometime later...


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